{"id":37033,"date":"2025-09-22T14:37:18","date_gmt":"2025-09-22T12:37:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/?p=37033"},"modified":"2025-09-22T14:37:21","modified_gmt":"2025-09-22T12:37:21","slug":"what-or-who-owns","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/it\/2025\/09\/22\/what-or-who-owns\/","title":{"rendered":"Chi o cosa possiede?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-f25af4dfd857304ae44e8516f109ec81\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Who owns what, <br>or what owns who? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-3fb54de2b925ebac400c7726e1c7e9a4\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Do we own our bodies, <br>or do our bodies own us? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-61ccfa9caf338d0758326d9432baf6a8\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Do we own our feelings, <br>our memories and thoughts, <br>or do they own us? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-adb46a6f53abde2bdf8d7448ef6c8d51\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Can we just observe <br>proprietary notions <br>as two-way relations? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-df5fce1687d678f6d42efed93b38c935\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">What I own, owns me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ba02a8cf3db7da3a57418bba68c20d42\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">To dwell in any body, <br>it needs proper care, <br>feeding, cleaning, and more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-c855c66806efb19283ffda70c6bc7251\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Also feelings and thoughts <br>are nurtured and tended <br>by attention for or against. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-cade9f0754f878b051238dc7190780a0\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Can observing be neutral, <br>and who or what observes <br>all the ownership illusions <br>in our given present lives? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-16092db7ed39eff667e37373441c1d84\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">What balances and frees <br>from owning back and forth <br>into awakened awareness? <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-60b6869499740fde01228fd64f4d3053\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Now, beware of your answers, <br>lest they may own you! <\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-left has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-b31b646d0fdb09c1d35028e3b60c1447\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">&#8220;Happy gnomes and elves&#8221; &#8212; a fairy tail dance<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/2025-08-28-8GBO.mp3\" preload=\"metadata\"><\/audio><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/tonalities\/pentatonalities\/pentaprola-or-pentaion-pentatonic-major\/\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#f7b320\" class=\"has-inline-color\">PentaProLa \/ PentaIon<\/mark><\/a><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#f7b320\" class=\"has-inline-color\"> (w\/a touch <\/mark><a href=\"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/tonalities\/hexatonalities\/hexamixla\/\"><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#f7b320\" class=\"has-inline-color\">HexaMixLa<\/mark><\/a><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#f7b320\" class=\"has-inline-color\">) on E (rel. A 432 Hz) &#8212; 8-string guitar, bass bowl &#8212; 6:23<\/mark><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-left has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-eae749cca7b6a63734322e3db3c2347f\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Owning &#8220;I, me, mine&#8221; plus past and future<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7c1216b43105b241bad3fb751de7f87e\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">&#8220;As we look, we find that all the beguiling narratives are basically about &#8216;me&#8217;: what I like, what I don&#8217;t like, what I want, what I fear, what I hate, what I believe, what I&#8217;m like. These I-thoughts are frequent and compelling &#8212; just try giving them up for two minutes. We sense that they are being thrown up by some strong motive force like a turbocharged engine. What is behind all this power? It is the belief in a self, in the story of &#8216;I, me, mine&#8217; that we tell ourselves over and over. We do this to convince ourselves that we are real in the way we imagine ourselves to be. But this self is a fiction. There isn&#8217;t actually an entity that corresponds to this fabrication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-57229932c9ee1e7da691076d82e27fe5\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">To convince ourselves that the imagined self is real, we tell the I-story continuously, using past and future, likes and dislikes, hates and loves, views and beliefs, engaging our deepest emotions to keep us turning on this hamster wheel. It&#8217;s not a pleasurable or satisfying habit.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-15011efa2badf09d9dc63bb1a5abdadc\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Memory, past, future, and the present<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-5c55842c7bc26e8d5b64cf2380ffbf18\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">&#8220;We have this peculiar faculty called memory. Memory retains and stores up fragments of what consciousness experiences; then we build all kinds of concepts around these fragments. We call that the &#8216;past&#8217; and believe that it&#8217;s real. Extrapolating from some selective elements of memory, we imagine that certain things will happen at some other time. We call that the &#8216;future&#8217;, and we believe that it&#8217;s real. But past and future are only concepts. They don&#8217;t truly exist. The past is gone and the future hasn&#8217;t arrived. What is real is the present moment. Body and consciousness are real, and so are thoughts and feelings. [They] are real and present. But there is nowhere behind us called the &#8216;past&#8217; and nowhere in front called the &#8216;future&#8217;. When we remember something from the past or imagine something in the future, in either case it is a thought in the present moment.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:20px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-7227082616c3a399689800af7b1a44f4\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">&#8212; Guy Armstrong, <em>Emptiness: a practical guide for meditators<\/em>, pp. 61 and 78-79<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-ca8dc4deee5bed4b0362e00c95516f92\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">Nature, beauty, life, and love will not be owned nor own!<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"What or who owns?\" class=\"wp-image-36963\" srcset=\"https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-1536x864.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-2048x1152.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-18x10.jpg 18w, https:\/\/tonalibus.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250717_010316064_iOS-x-1320x743.jpg 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 706px) 89vw, (max-width: 767px) 82vw, 740px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Sunlit forest mirrored in the calm of a lake &#8212; July 2025 &#8212; <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Boundary_Waters_Canoe_Area_Wilderness\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness<\/a>, MN, USA<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-color has-link-color wp-elements-958b775526518546f9db7497f12ac6be\" style=\"color:#f7b320\">May we all rest in peace! 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